Umm, didn't you just do to NASCAR fans the exact same thing we wrestling fans have complained about for years? In this case, the comparison really doesn't flatter any of us, since NASCAR has: better demographic range, higher average household income, and I believe a higher average education level as well.
With the large of amount of cross-over between the fans of the two sports, isn't it time we stop ripping on "them", especially since I don't hear them ripping on "us". I use the quotation marks because I'm both & neither, as a proud supporter of each. I'd happily take front row tickets to either, and while my accent is distinctly southern, I assure you that my teeth are all intact, even in old age (31).
Now, on the other hand, if you'd ripped on another scorn-worthy group, like the insipid losers who regularly watch "Friends" ... well, that would be a whole different story.
True statement. I never really looked it at that way until now. I certainly didn't mean to offend any readers and if I did, I apologize. Even though many of your auto racing fans are well-educated, the most popular of these sports is NASCAR and they do have a generalization of a "backwater" audience. Still, the fact is NASCAR is expanding nationwide, with tracks recently built in Texas and California. That shows the appeal of the sport.
As for me, if I did watch auto racing, I would prefer Formula 1. :) But, enough of that...
Tony Sciavone said Barry Windham had never been the world champion tonite...say what you want about Barry Windham, it's your p.o.v. but please help me right this wrong and set this straight.
The WCW Saturday Night crew must've got in trouble for acknowledging it. C'mon, Tony...forst the Cactus comment, now this...
**FACT: On February 21, 1993 Barry Windham defeated The Great Muta in Ashville, North Carolina for the NWA World Heavyweight Championship with the leaping DDT in 28:07.**
True the WCW world title is considered a separate entity, but Windham's title reign as the NWA World Heavyweight Champion was before WCW officially withdrawing from the NWA. WCW acknowledges Ric Flair as a 14-time world champion...hmmmm...most of those being NWA title reigns. Anyway you look at it, Barry Windham is in fact, the former heavyweight champion of the world. Look it up, you can go to the NWA official webpage or many other respected and current websites.
On July 18th, 1993 (the same year) Ric Flair defeats Barry Windham in Biloxi, Mississippi, USA.
In September,1993, WCW withdraws from the NWA over a dispute revolving around an upcoming Pay-Per-View match between Ric Flair and Rick Rude. The result has the NWA no longer recognizing Ric Flair as its champion and WCW renaming the title the WCW International title.
Had to clear that up, don't let Schiavone fool you. It must be a shot against the current NWA...but the Lone Wolf's name will go down in history as being the heavyweight champion of the world for a time, no one can take that away.
Even though the Thunder show was really kind of boring, I liked the format and here's why. Go back to old WCW (NWA) days. If my memory serves correctly, the coolest thing about those shows was watching a lot of wrestling in the tiny studio they used to have. Of course, it was a lot of ring action. Then, when one of the big guns came out, like the Road Warriors, old hHrsemen, even Dusty, the contrast in heat and style to the mid-carders made the big name matches that much better. My point is, if I have one, I am hoping WCW is going to get back to this format and get away from all of the hidden camera stuff. The Thunder show seemed a lot like the old shows, that's why I think this format may (should) be continued. I know I need to start living in 1999, but what if I am right?
It seems like the Heenan/Schiavone tension is part act and part shoot. I have read that Heenan has been disgruntled lately. I may be too sensitive, but the announcing booth feud must stop, especially during a boring match when it is hard enough to pay attention. This goes for Tennay, too. ONCE MORE- THE WRESTLING IS THE SHOW, THE WRESTLING IS THE SHOW, THE WRESTLING IS THE SHOW. . . (Is anybody listening?)
BUT I LIKE SEEING PROMOS, DAMMIT! :) Off the subject, were you PRAYING like I was (and everybody else for
that matter) that Nash would PowerBomb Riki on Nitro during the Miss Nitro
skit? If you didn't see it, I'm sure you've read about it by now. If he
would have PowerBombed Rachman, I truly could have overlooked the whole
Nash/Hogan drain of the WCW for the past six months. I would have even
taken a Hogan big leg drop on Riki. Maybe someday...
Off the subject, were you PRAYING like I was (and everybody else for that matter) that Nash would PowerBomb Riki on Nitro during the Miss Nitro skit? If you didn't see it, I'm sure you've read about it by now. If he would have PowerBombed Rachman, I truly could have overlooked the whole Nash/Hogan drain of the WCW for the past six months. I would have even taken a Hogan big leg drop on Riki. Maybe someday...
Man, if only they did powerbomb Riki. However, I'm pretty sure they'd have to train him to take the bump, even with Nash's weak-assed powerbomb. It also would have given the Wolfpac a face pop since the crowd did not seem to warm up to Riki.
Why do I waste my time with Thunder when I was not bored by two segments: Kidman's match with Blitzkrieg, and the announcers arguing. Hogan needs to go away; not heel, not face, just away. No one cares anymore.
One thing that I find annoying, and a sign of how WCW thinks, is the entrance music. Other than the big names (nWo, Wolfpac,Flair, Goldberg, DDP) plus Booker T, Jericho, and now Mysterio/Konnan, how many times do you hear music and immediately know who is coming out. WWF has outstanding entrance music, ECW has actual songs that people recognize, and WCW has Jimmy Hart ripping off Nirvana (DDP), Metallica (Sandman), Pearl Jam (Jericho) and now Marilyn Manson (Goldust; no, wait, that's Saturn). It may seem to be minor, but it just shows how WCW thinks that they can parade out Flair, Hogan, Nash, Goldberg, and DDP (when he's not on vacation), and people will tune in, not bothering to have any sort of angle that does not relate to nWo, Flair, or Goldberg. They have too much talent to allow this booking on the fly to continue. I mean, did they really sign Bret Hart for all that money just to wrestle a fat guy and promote some Saturday Night Live wannabe?
Sometimes when I watch WCW programming, I hear an entrance theme and think I'm watching a broadcast of ESPN Baseball Tonight. No joke, I've heard Chris Jericho's old face music, as well as the theme that Kendell Windham uses on the show.
Never before, have I understood the effectiveness of advertising, and how companies can grab you by the short hairs and make you hold on...
It's genius by WCW, and I hate admitting it. You, me, and everyone who appreciates good, sound wrestling, gets furious when they decide to air, say, a Jerry Flynn v. Vince(nt 4.0) match without interruption. What do they do? They book a good match like Kidman v. Blitzcreig or Booker T v. Jericho match and throw Cinnaburst commercials or "The Adventures of Al Bundy, Damon Wayans, and Bitterman" collect calling commercials in the middle. Do we dare change the channel? Hell no.
What match will I decide to ignore and wander away to defrost my TV dinner? Flynn/Vince. What match keeps my fat ass in my seat and forces me to watch commercials? Cruiserweights.
Damn brilliant marketing by WCW. Sure, they don't care about the feelings of their fans (so it'll be a cold day in hell when I buy Cinnaburst again), but ya gotta admit... It's shrewd. And it works.
Never thought of it that way. Now that you mention it, it kind of makes sense. Not that I, the viewer would agree with commercial interruptions during great athletic contests, but you cannot argue with it on the business standpoint.
How can you say Buff Bagwell has "average talent at best?" Are you kidding. He's one of the best OVERALL workers in WCW. today. He can work any style, can brawl if given a chance to show his brawling skills and has the best dropkick going today along with his ex partner Scotty Riggs. Riggs himself is also a misused talent. He works his butt off every match. Carrying losers like Jerry Flynn is a hard job I'm sure. But back to what I was talking about, you better watch Bagwell's matches more closely. One other question that is totally different,why does every Luchadore match have to have about 3 tilt-a-whirl backbreakers done in it?
Don't get me wrong. I like Buff. He's great on the mic. And he can wrestle a decent match. However, like many of the WCW midcard talent nowadays, everything he does just seems so cookie-cutter. Maybe it's just remnants of that injury he had (thanks to a certain dogfaced gremlin), but Buff has been using mostly basic moves as of late. Not that it's a bad thing, but it just seems so plain. However, that Blockbuster he does IS a rather cool move. But, remember all of this is just my opinion.
Off the subject a little -- why the HELL does every wrestler and their mother (not counting Judy Bagwell) resort to a chinlock as a resthold? You'd think that with the extensive training these guys receive they would know how to do a couple other holds. Heck, even Brian Adams, the stiff that he is, pulled off an interesting-looking arrow submission hold several weeks back! You know the rule, if Brian Adams can do it, so can just about anybody.
For the record, Silent Brian Macnee was a Canadian jobber in the early 1980s. What made Brian unique was that he was truly silent. He was a deaf-mute. Honestly. A deaf-mute wrestler. I'm not making that up.
I thought I was the only person who remembered him.
Nicely done, Mr. Jericho. Very obscure.
Other thoughts: All-in-all, a decent show. The interviews went somewhere, and they didn't force-feed Gonnad's rap video, which is a bonus. The announcers griping at each other really distracts from the match on hand, but I guess it beats talking about Sting's face paint. Also, it seems that Tony Schiavone is having more of a confrontational gimmick. How this works overall has yet to be seen, but he got a good laugh out of me when he made fun of the WCW Winston Cup car. When will the damn thing win, anyway?
And remember, this is just my opinion. You might have heard the saying: Opinions are like assholes -- we all have one and they usually stink.
As for me, I'm gonna be sick...